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psychonaut13

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i know i know, it's long. but well worth the read, even for you ADD fuckers. i thought it was interesting that the person saying this stuff is an elected official...not some stoned out conspiracy freak like myself.

Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury on New Orleans: "Americans Are Being Brainwashed"
Mentality is "like that of the brown shirts that followed Hitler"


Steve Watson/Alex Jones | September 6 2005

Paul Craig Roberts has held a number of academic appointments and has contributed to numerous scholarly publications. He served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Regan administration.

Roberts followed up his commentary Impeach Bush Now, Before More Die with an interview on The Alex Jones show on Monday 5th September 2005. The former Assistant Secretary had noted of the New Orleans disaster "If terrorists had achieved this result, it would rank as the greatest terrorist success in history." and went on to spell out how the disaster was left to happen. He succeeded these comments on Monday by laying out the facts again and asserting that the Federal government has been criminally negligent and should be held up to accountability.


Mr Roberts believed that such comments would bring him much criticism from so called Patriots (the flag waving kind), yet he was surprised at the amount of people who agreed and even informed him that it was far worse then what he´d gone on record with.

Roberts reviewed the way in which the federal government had slashed funding for flood prevention schemes and pumped everything into the war in Iraq and the war on Terror. He also went on to admit that the military was turning on the people, treating them as subjects, overturning the Posse Comitatus Act.


Roberts agreed that FEMA has deliberately withheld aid, and cut emergency communication lines, and automatically made the crisis look worse in order to empower the image of a police state emerging to "save the day". He even insinuated that the shoot to kill policy was part of the overall operation in order get an awful precedence set to aid the military industrial complex takeover of America.

"The power of the Federal Government is now greater than at any time, it´ll never go back and the Posse Comitatus Act has been eroding ever since it was passed in 1878..." Roberts asserted.

Roberts further commented "There is no excuse for this, we have never had in our history the federal government take a week to respond to a disaster...this is the first time ever that the help was not mobilized in advance. The proper procedure is that everything is mobilized and ready to go"

Mr Roberts commented that the American people are being "brainwashed" and no longer believe what the founding fathers said over and over, that your worst enemy is always your own government and never confuse Patriotism with support for the government. He asserted that the mentality is "like that of the brown shirts that followed Hitler" and that the government is deadly dangerous, "you can´t let the military take over policing".


On the question of where this is all leading and what the government is gearing up for, Mr Roberts suggested that "It does look like there is a push coming from inside the bowels of the police authorities and it seems to be independent of whoever the President is or who or whatever party is in office. It just gets worse and it´s hard to say that it´s Bush doing it, he may not even know what´s going on... it´s enough for us to say that New Orleans demonstrated massive federal incompetence, if it were laid on private people would be tantamount to criminal negligence... some kind of accountability has to be exercised"


The private corporations own and run everything and are turning America into a third world police state, when questioned as to how we can stop this Mr Roberts stated:

"The longer it goes on it will be harder and harder to stop...It depends on how much resistance or what kind of resistance they meet, but I think one thing we can do is demand accountability for this failure, do not buy the Karl Rove lie that this was a failure of State and Local Government"

Roberts urged listeners to look at the Patriot Act, which suspends Habeas Corpus, where they can now suspend you indefinitely, a massive erosion of civil liberties. He was quick to point out though that we should not assign the government omnipotence, we can make people aware of the situation and try to explain illogical actions that have no reasonable explanation.

Roberts read out an email from an emergency management official who said that the feds are involved in everything they do, everything has to be approved by the feds. FEMA sets the table, Mr Roberts suggested, every major agency in New Orleans has been federalized, the State and Local officials have no authority.


"They might screw up occasionally but why is it that NOTHING that was supposed to be done was done?" Roberts questioned.

"The whole problem is...failure, massive unacceptable failure, criminal negligence... it has caused the US it´s largest and most strategic international Port through which 25% of all our oil and gas comes... look at the price of gasoline, this is a tremendous impact... I don´t see how a recession can be avoided... We have lost our most influential port through what appears to be INTENTIONAL incompetence, it´s very hard to understand"

Roberts went on to stress that this event is WORSE than 9/11 because it was announced days ahead of the event and contingency plans were intentionally ignored. The officials on the scene have said there was a complete stand down of the government and intentional incompetence. Furthermore they did nothing ON PURPOSE in order to provoke the resulting chaos and anarchy so they could say "look how out of control everything is - we have to have limits on freedom and troops on the streets."
 
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LastManStanding

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New Orleans is responsible for it's self. WTF happened to taking responsablility for your own actions?

Every City Bus Public and Private should have been on high ground. They also should have been used to get the people out of there.

Why was there rapings in the Dome?

The main thing is this. NOONE knew that a Cat 4 hurrican would hit N.O. You can say that in time it would be but hell in time Ohio could have a major tornado.

If you know that flooding is an issue then prepare for it.
If you know an earthquake is an issue then prepare for it.
If you know that tornado's are an issue then prepare for it.

It's not the Federal Governments job to prepare for hurrican's in N.O.'s Is the Fed Gov suppost to do the same for how many countless towns that are totalled? No.

One thing can be learned from this. People are animal's and hero's during this time. Do you want to be a finger pointer or a helper??????
 

Intro

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Pay your taxes, eat your meats, don't question authority, vote Republican.

Go to the big Christian Heaven and spend eternity with America's God.

Heck of a job, heck of a job..
 
I say we just blame everyone who origionaly built the city of New Orleans and let it be, New Orleans has the oldest hospital in the US, lets blame the doctors? New Orleans has one of the largest French speaking populations, lets blame the french?

BLAME him, BLAM her, BLAME them....Fuck that, blame everyone in america, since we are the ones who will have to bail them out in the long run, we are the ones that put bush in office, we are the ones who didn;t stop bush from sending all our reserve troops to fight on forgn soil. You, ME, us, we are responsable you dolts.

I read about the citys flood potential years ago and remember thiking "whew, at least I win't live thier when it finaly happens" so blame me for not making it my personal mission to get it fixed.

Blame the engeniers that wrote the articles I read for not following up and DEMANDING an action plan, they understood how many people would die. BLAME the media for taking pictures of people drowning instead of throwing thier cameras out the window so they could rescue people! Blame the people that had enough money to drive out of town or fly, for not taking any other citizens with them. Blame the casino's for taking so much money out of the comunity that people actualy cant aford gas, or cars

blame dose nothing but waste time, money and ....fuckit, if you dont get it, you never will


Bliss on.
 

Intro

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I want to applaude you for using the word "dolt".

I can think of a few who it applies to perfectly.

I blame MYSELF for not using it more often.

:arrow:
 

Swearengen

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Corruption throughout the Louisiana state government and New Orleans city government (past and present) didn't help things any. I agree that the federal relief effort was late/stalled etc., but the disorganization and incompetence of New Orleans' efforts (as a city) made a disaster into a full-blown tragedy. Why are 3/4 of their fire trucks ruined/underwater? Why did they have so many police (of high and low ranks) go AWOL? Why are so many previously hospitalized patients now dead? Why was there NO plan for evacuation prior to Katrina's bearing down on them?

The answer is: No one wanted to shake things up enough to get these things done. They didn't plan for the future, and now they have no future.

Next question is why the federal government is taking all the blame. They deserve some, but the past and present officials of New Orleans deserve most of the blame, as they did little to prepare their population. And when it was too late they ALL panicked. Inexcusable. They must have thought that being in charge only goes for when things run smoothly...but it matters the MOST when things go all to shit.

Long post, I know. I do have a point to all this.

The money (to restore order, rescue the stranded, provide food, provide medical care, restore electricity/gas, immunize the population, pay them all unemployment, drain the city, and whatever else) is going to be taken from our nation's faltering economy. Gas prices are only the beginning. Take a deeeeeeeep breath and say "recession".
 

Intro

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I think a lot of the heat being put on the Bush administration stems from the fact that they cut funding to reinforce the levees that broke and flooded the city. The levees were only originally designed to withstand a Cat. 3 hurricane. And we all know Katrina was bigger than fucking Texas, whatever Cat. you wanna call it.. Anyway, state officials and scientists voiced their concerns and took it through Congress. Although the project was to cost an estimated 14 billion dollars, it was obviously something that needed to be done. However, the Bush crew thought it sounded like excessive spending (hello, war in Iraq?) and decided to cut the funding.

9 months later, the city is underwater.

:(
 
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Swearengen

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Funding is an issue here, yes. But even if the full 14 billion was approved, it does not take away from the state and city officials once again adding to the problem: much of the run-off areas (swamps and marshes) were drained and reclaimed to be sold as real estate----thereby making New Orleans a pushover for Katrina. I'm not defending Bush, although it may sound like it. I just want it known what these jackasses did down there (when they already knew they couldnt withstand a category 3) and that they should NOT be trusted to make further judgments on how to make "civic improvements". Too much money is going to funnel through New Orleans in coming months and anyone (Bush, inept Louisiana state officials, corrupt and incompetent NO officials) who has already fucked up should not be involved. We're just getting barked at by the oil companies now, the bite is coming later.
 
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